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Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« on: July 22, 2016, 10:39:28 AM »

Hi,

so ive had my CAG for a while now and the breeder had her on Kaytee exact rainbow pellets as the main diet staple, topped up with fruit & veg of course (which admitedly, im not too good at providing fresh every day without fail.. and shes a fussy eater at the best of times) anyway, i digress...

My baby recently stayed with someone for a couple of weeks while my partner & I went on vacation and while away the carer had fed her Johnston & Johns Low Sunflower Blend seeds.

All of my research and reading prior to buying her said that seeds were bad, use as treats/training aid only and stick to pellets, fruit & veg. The carer however persisted that her other birds (fostered) had all improved massively in feather condition and appearance after being on this seed diet for a month or two, topped with a spinkle of Nutrobal every day - and as such fed her that primarily for the time we were away.

I was given some of it to take her home with and needless to say, when mixing it back in with her Kaytee Exact pellets, she right away heads for the SEEDS in the bowl and munches them down first (kids & chocolate right?)

So my question is, which is better for her?

Is the J&J seed blend bad? as a primary main source, 75-80% of diet?
What about all the fats in all those seeds?

Should I continue to mix some of the J&J seed mix in with the kaytee?
Or reveert back to the kaytee only?

(btw, for sake of completness Ive tried her on Harrisons and its been a mega struggle she barely touches it, leaving all the fine stuff well alone, and the more coarse larger chunks, 'power treats' (the orange and purple labels anyway!) she hardly touches, so thats not gone too well tbh)..

Just looking for clarification on the seed v kaytee question really :/

Ive a bag of ZuPrem fruity in my amazon basket to try out next as I read on here just 5 mins ago that its a better alternative to the kaytee lol.


Thank you so much in advance for the replies!
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Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 11:45:47 AM »

Keep her on pellets, it's better in the long run, it provides way more nutrition than just seeds. It's true the all birds used to have only seeds but we didn't know any better then. You can give seeds every so often, they aren't terrible. I'm so lucky with my girl, she has pellets and seeds, she favours the pellets but has a few seeds too.
It's all about balance really. If you choose to give seeds too don't mix the with the kaytee, keep them in a separate bowl and only give a spoonful or so, then they won't be the main food source.
Mine is on zupreem, she likes the veggie, nut and now fruit ones, I prefer them to kaytee, but you have to go with what they like.

Also buy from Scarletts, cheaper than Amazon
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 01:15:08 PM »

so is this J&J seed stuff frowned upon?
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2016, 01:20:22 PM »

No it's probably one of the better ones, although they still put monkey nuts in for some bloody reason.
I use tidymix seeds, you can also get avian specific seeds from Scarletts so they are made for specific parrots
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2016, 03:20:38 PM »

but still surely only as a treat? Not any large % of a daily diet??

Are those kind of mixes okay for 50-75% of a daily diet?
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 03:33:39 PM »

You've lost me now, do you mean seeds as treats, or specific ones?
Really seeds should be about 20% of the diet maximum, I think that's the ratio, but obviously some people still feed all seed.
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2016, 03:37:07 PM »

the carer i referenced in my original post was feeding the greys the Johnson & Jeff low sunflower blend seed mix as Id imagine 75-80% of the diet. Supplimented with fresh fruit & veg every day.

My research told me that seed mixes were bad (high in fat, like sugary sweets to a kid) and that seeds should only be used as treats, whether individually or as part of a mix - but never as a large portion of a staple diet.
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2016, 04:17:18 PM »

Johnson and Jeff had a case of weavels in their seed mix not to long ago
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole
Kaytee pellet defo over the seed x


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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2016, 04:34:14 PM »

When you just talk about seed you missed the important bit. Did in the above to pinch of nutrabol.

I actually don't feed seed except for treat. Yet the pellet I use first ingredient is sunflower seed.

Simply put a vet would recommend 80%pellets no seed 20% fresh.

Many people use chop with seed and supplements.

Seed and supplements and little fresh.

All ways work, 2 involve guess work. Seed is not recommended but neither is it just bad. It offers little but fat so as the fat component it can be used.

There's a study on Amazons that showed even as low as 40% pellets 60 fresh no seed was maintenance. As soon as seed was add the figures go all off starting with fat content dramatically increasing. Basically fat added on top of fat. Pellets are designed to be complete foods. Some think that they are over supplementing. Certainly all pellets aren't equal neither are all birds.

The only person that can tell you if this diet with that bird is an avian vet after blood work. Mine are pure Harrisons and have many comments but I'll add my brother is adamant you can tell when they've not had palm oil. I actually think it just slightly transfers and gives them a shine.

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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2016, 04:51:31 PM »

thanks for the long reply :) much appreciated.
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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2016, 04:52:04 PM »

Johnson and Jeff had a case of weavels in their seed mix not to long ago
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole
Kaytee pellet defo over the seed x


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Re: Kaytee Exact v Johnston & Jeff Low Sunflower Blend
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2016, 07:53:07 PM »

Only just seen this post. Xavier has been with us since February and eats Johnson and Jeff, low sunflower, it has a few peanuts with no shells (and no weavels in this bag Mandi) plus a sprinkle of nutrobal, he loves palm oil, veg and fruit etc. Before coming here he had never been given supplements, or had palm oil, nothing only J & J and veg. Someone commented on how shinier his feathers looked, so it could be palm oil along with vitamins?

Alot of the Johnsons gets wasted, and I'm in two minds whether to change him to pellets like Jasper who likes a few brands, or leave him as he is. He's 15 and his owner, buys this food as I'm long term fostering. Xavier has tried a few P15 pellets, and this week I've bought Tops again, but so far he hasn't touched them :)
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