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Mixed diets pellets/produce/seed
« on: March 15, 2016, 12:30:20 AM »

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Nutritional+levels+of+diets+fed+to+captive+Amazon+parrots%3A+does%E2%80%A6-a0327586315 found this interesting now being a cynic zupreem supplied the pellet seems mainly uni financed. Whilst amazons I suspect much holds true for greys. Whilst only short term study was surprised at how bad the imbalances are on some of the mixed diets.

Even at 60% pellets they saw a negative suggesting as weight gain or highly active, breeding etc. Puts seed/produce/pellet, seed/pellet/produce, pellet/produce/seed, pellet/produce and pellet head to head iirc.

It acknowledges pellet/produce ratios vary across brands. Also supposed dietary requirements have been extrapolated from poultry diets. Also the owners issue with serving nutritional card board.

Weirdly enough probably have had my 2 on purely Harrisons for the last 3 months not a great deal of supplementary. No real reason just trying to keep Hickory down a little. She puts a little on in Winter and seems to get broody with weight. Be interesting to see whether Willows calcium is up.
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Re: Mixed diets pellets/produce/seed
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 09:24:48 AM »

I read this yesterday, i was also a bit cynical

I just think they keep moving the goalposts. Who knows what is best for them. My Luna was weaned onto pellets. She has seed in her cage too at all times, but only eats seed in small amounts and relishes her pellets.

She has her veg, when she chooses to eat it and i'm happy with that. We are never going to replicate the best diet for them as we don't really know what it is. The research doesn't seem to be based on fact, just speculation. I know pelleted diet is under scrutiny at the moment, i get fed up trying to meet the changing requirements.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 12:26:30 PM »

That's what got me interested. I don't actually know where it's come from this pellets aren't good. IMHO it's self appointed keyboard warriors I cant find it from a vets point of view.

I actually think this study highlights it isn't the pellets but the supplements even at 60% with seed it had too much fat. I suspect it's not so much the pellets but the mixing, in so becoming an associative cause.

I agree think it's a minefield, certainly for my 2 I'm on hp which is one of the highest fat contents. Then my 2 get additional palm oil yet fat isn't my problem. Then is it Jon whose girl is on lifetime which is lower protein and fat but lessens the broodiness. I remember not so long ago people where incorporating too much fat mixing az with palm oil.

After reading it I've got to say I'm not against pellets. I did my bit of not liking pellets/additives having come a full circle. I think it's far better to make sure plus 60% is pellets. As for which pellet think that's a little down to the bird. Certainly were my 2 to get heavier I'd be looking at lifetime.

As for specifically greys, I'm with the African Queen do think they are better on the higher fat ones. I think some people miss how much seed is favoured as this paper. As for companies even this article you find references to Harrisons. I find they tend to be on the pulse on avian research.

In regards to actual needs of companion birds, I agree much is missing. Yet I certainly feel the pellet companies are in a far better position to assess present knowledge than self appointed keyboard warriors. As for self supplementing can you ever be sure they're eating/drinking the right amount.

I think really choose a pellet then dial in with annual blood work. Never going to be a sure thing but should be better than a good guess. Think pellet choice can be down to parrots lifestyle. I have 2 terrors that haven't been made to sit somewhere, and then are out for plus 6 hrs. I actually think exercise doesn't get enough focus.

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Re: Mixed diets pellets/produce/seed
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 12:32:45 PM »

yep i absolutely agree. I'm sticking with a balance of pellets/seed/veg.


I think, as you do, someone gets hold of a bit of information and before we know it the internet has it as a fact! Keyboard warriors, i can't stand them!
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 09:43:15 PM »

I once switched all my (pellet fed ) onto seed
The mess and waste was unreal
And they seemed to be cravin their pellets so again they are now all on a pellet based diet along with their sprouts, veg pulses and fruit of course and have seed as a treat :thumbsup:
you often see birds with over long beaks and it's said due to a seed based diet
None of my birds have ever needed a beak trim and I put this down to a decent diet :)
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Re: Mixed diets pellets/produce/seed
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 02:55:02 PM »

Have to admit never been a real seed fan, my 2 get them but may be months again before seeing them again(unless treat reward). Always found it a little strange that safflower are a replacement for sunflower seed. I'm not so sure replacing a 40% fat seed with a 30% one is really that much better.

What I find quite funny is I did this year's ago. If I looked through my old posts I'd be able to tell you when tops was first imported I instigated it. Was when I started looking at additives. Also when I realised even pellet manufacturers don't really agree, when you look at crudes they vary wildly.

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