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Protein and pellets/diet
« on: February 29, 2016, 02:19:12 PM »

Got a little interested in this. Now I use Harrisons high potency supplemented with chop and treats. Do tend to do avoidance so maybe no palm oil for a couple of months etc..

Diet tends to bring up loads of opinions and contradictions. The right one is the one that they eat and keeps them healthy.

Some people think high protein has a contributing factor to ill health in parrots. I use a pretty high protein pellet, passed every yearly check so far. Also a well known American breeder claims Greys cope better on the higher pellet.

In trying to find out why high protein was bad I sort of struggled. I was finding vague suggestions. Well eventually I got to here
https://holisticbirds.wordpress.com/health-and-disease/disease-list/fatty-liver-disease/

Now whilst fatty liver disease based, in treatment they talk about the protein/carb/fat ratio/interaction. What I also find interesting is generally pellet vs other could be just as easily transposed to conventional vs holistic. Yet here is a holistic angle dismissing high protein as cause and referencing examples of treatment using high protein pellets. You can find research proving high protein doesn't effect the liver in cockateils.

So really just curious does anyone know where high protein pellets cause health issues comes from?

I know some think it encourages hens. I have to admit with Hickory I noticed issues from hemp seed which I associated to the protein intake.

Just put it out there be interested in knowing what others thoughts are.
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Re: Protein and pellets/diet
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 03:23:47 PM »

Isn't it the calcium in them that is supposed to be causing a problem Stef? Like you i'm not sure & prefer to know they are at least eating some good stuff.
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Re: Protein and pellets/diet
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 04:22:18 PM »

Wouldn't surprise me if that's a holistic view. Can't say I recall seeing it but think liver or kidney is still involved. Think generally it's vague anecdotal evidence of kidney/liver problems and associating pellets as cause.

As for calcium not to sure, that's a complicated relationship with vitamin d and phosphorus got a feeling even vit a is involved.

Over the years I've gone every where. First vet gave us a crude chop sheet topped with pretty bird, then to just chop, chop and biscuits. Didn't like the addition of fortified vitamins, to where I am now.

Which is more pragmatic I accept these pellet makers are funding research into it. As for who's right or wrong much is still not known. Even pellet manufacturers rarely agree. I think a lot depends on bird, how active, it's metabolism etc. This we all can determine with yearly check ups. Even then it's still our best guess, Hickory's calcium levels are in the middle and Willow was on the low side of normal last time yet same diet.

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