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Some Food For Thought!!!!
« on: January 21, 2012, 07:30:50 PM »

Ok guys this is something for you all to have a little think about.


As some of you may know, last year I had quite a scare with the misfits.

They all went for a blood test to see how they were doing, I had quite a shock when the results came back that they were all having some sort of liver problem!!!

The major part of this was that Psittacosis could have been a possibility even though all 3 birds at the time had been tested as Negative, and more than once too!!!

So another Psittacosis test was done, but through all the stress and the tears I doubted that it could have been the cause, and the vet wanted to redo the bloods four months later

So, what was having an impact on their livers???
What was I giving to them that was causing havoc??

Not seed!!! The birds had not had seed since Christmas 2010!!
I was giving the odd Nutriberries but again, nothing to cause a major problem. They we're having parrot mash, with veg, pulses and lentils, and a little fruit, so nothing fatty there either. I had always expected problems with Bert and Lady, they were rehomes and used to be seed junkies, but not with Haydes, he was only 14 weeks old when I got him, so either I was doing something wrong, or he was born with a liver condition.

Ruling everything else out, I was left with one remaining factor.....


PALM OIL!!!!!!!

The way I was giving Palm Oil was 1 5ml spoon over 1lb of food (pellets) and or course they were having pellets every day, not a lbs worth, just the normal free choice......

So, I decided to STOP the Palm Oil from when they had the first initial blood test.

A few weeks later I had an email from another parrot owner, they had found out about my predicament and advised that they also had a similar problem with their bird. They had noticed some blood in their bird's droppings and rushed him to the vets, after the relevant tests it transpired that the bird had a major liver problem. The liver was so enlarged that the vet could not risk an endoscopy for fear that the bird would not survive. So the owner went back to basics, stripping the little seed that was given out of the diet, and also the Palm Oil....

One month later after a follow up blood test, the liver had returned to normal!!

I was now intrigued, and for 2 parronts to consider that Palm Oil could be factor, had me wanting to wish four months away just for my lots follow up blood test.

The time eventually came, the follow up bloods were done, and one week later I got the results........







3 IMPROVED LIVERS!!!!!!!!

So from that, I have concluded that Palm Oil was the major factor.

Now, I have always promoted Palm Oil because for those of you that saw the state of Bert when I first got her, and then the Photos a few months later, a transformation is an understatement!!!

However........


We need to consider that although birds in the wild eat Palm Nuts/Oil etc, they fly for miles and miles each day, so burn off the fat in the Palm Oil/nuts, and therefore do not suffer any ill effects.
Our birdies however do not fly for mile and miles every day!!!

So, please don't read this as DO NOT GIVE PALM OIL because that's not what I'm saying at all....

I'm saying that a little, goes a very long way. So you may want to consider how much Palm Oil you are giving!!!!!

At the moment I am just trying to figure out, which method of giving Palm Oil is best for me, so for example, I am only giving a tiny amount of Palm Oil once or twice a month.
I have started firstly with Power Treats, so 2 power treats each a month, I'm thinking I might need to swap to the Oil as the Power Treats will end up going stale before they're used. If I do swap to the Oil, I will only be giving it once a month and it will be half a pea size or less spread on a little wholegrain toast or something.

The last thing I want to add, is that I cannot tell you how IMPORTANT IT IS to have your birds blood tested as part of a routine health check every 12 to 18 months!!!!!!

From this year it will cost me approximately 420 to have all 4 misfits blood tested!!

IT'S WORTH EVERY SINGLE PENNY!!!!!

Peace and Love :cheekkiss: :biggrin:

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 07:40:50 PM »

I think I read that a few months ago that you'd posted up Soo so we stopped giving it everyday and now it's once a week.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 07:46:07 PM »

That's good Glynn :thumbsup:

If you have blood tests done, that will indicate if you would need to reduce the amount you're giving further :thumbsup:
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Re: Some Food For Thought!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 07:49:15 PM »

That's a great post Soo

I do still give mine Palm nut extract, they get a tiny bit on their toast, but they don't get toast every day, they sometimes get egg, AZ Cereal etc.
But like I said mine don't get a lot and when I use it in cooking for them, I make such a huge amount of food that there is not that much extract in the portions  :thumbsup:

My three Hobbits always have the full works done at the vets too.

I think we all need to remember that "fatty" foods should be given in moderation

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 07:51:24 PM »

Exactly Mrs P :thumbsup:

I forgot to say, of course the Psittacosis tests were Negative :doh: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 07:53:44 PM »

Soo like you we have to watch Rosie's foods a lot more since she has her little problems  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 07:56:14 PM »

I think this should be made a sticky especially for new owners.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 07:57:33 PM »

Good idea Glynn  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 08:04:34 PM »

Good post Soo, also.......Animalzone pellets already contain palm oil extract, so for those feeding Animalzone pellets, it might be better if you don't give any extra palm oil, in any shape or form.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 08:24:02 PM »

Yes exactly Pat, so again, may need to limit the amount, or not feed it long term.

I personally wouldn't feed my lot any pellets with Palm Oil, especially not long term, but I would like to think that these points were considered when they made the food.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 08:28:31 PM »

Animalzone do a Parrot Food Natural pellet, that doesn't have palm oil in, it might be worth thinking about getting some of the natural and feeding that instead of Palm oil one for a break.

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 08:57:31 PM »

Oh dear I've just got mine used to it ,will have to cut it down as I was giving it every day on toast.  Thanks soo xx


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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 09:25:12 PM »

Yes Pat, they do a Natural and a Fruity :thumbsup:
I think I would maybe mix a Tea Spoon of the Palm Oil pellets in with the normal pellets once or twice a month and see how that goes :thumbsup:

You're welcome Karen, just wanted to make people aware as most parronts seem to give quite a lot of it :flowers:
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 12:39:40 AM »

Oh my god I think I'm gonna have a breakdown! I've been giving it to Dexter every day - on breeders advice (will look out diet sheet and copy on).
I'm now really really worried I've been doing the wrong thing.
Sorry but I'm now very very confused.......,


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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 10:13:05 AM »

Oh my god I think I'm gonna have a breakdown! I've been giving it to Dexter every day - on breeders advice (will look out diet sheet and copy on).
I'm now really really worried I've been doing the wrong thing.
Sorry but I'm now very very confused.......,


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Lesley all is not lost, so don't worry.  :flowers:
Just cut it down a bit more as it's good for them but needs to be given in moderation because it's fatty.  :thumbsup:

We've all made these sorts of little mistakes and that's why this forum is so good, as we find new information, we share it  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 11:40:21 AM »

.......... and breathe  :haha:

Lesley, don't worry about it.  Just change the amount you give from now on.... it will be absolutely fine.  If you were advised by the breeder to do this, you expect that you have been given the correct information, as they are the "experts"

So, please don't worry.... just reduce from now

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 12:04:57 PM »

Thank you. I feel a little better now. This is what his diet sheet said when we got him;

33% good quality seeds
33% kaytee exact pellets
33% fresh fruit and veg
3 drops calcivet on food twice weekly
Sprinkle small amount of d ess 3 onto food twice weekly
Small amount of palm nut extract every day

I've successfully got him onto AZ pellets and cut down on his fruit. He has a mix of warm veggies in the morning and loves an almond first thing when he wakes. I was also giving him palm extract on granary toast (3 tiny 'soldiers') every day. I'll now cut this down - unfortunately he loves this so I'm going to feel a bit mean (again!!).

Just waiting for the parrot recipe book to arrive now so I can maybe knock up some healthy stuff for him for a change / variety.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2012, 12:16:50 PM »

Lesley if you're feeding AZ pellets there's no need to give calcivet. Don't know if you've cut that out too?
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2012, 01:05:50 PM »

Yes sorry Glynn perhaps I didn't explain that too well. I don't give him any supps at all. Having found so much info on this forum I've completely ignored the diet sheet supplied by the breeder 😊


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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 10:22:57 AM »

I think one way around giving too much Palm oil would be to mix the pellets up, give some Enhancer and some Plain mixed together then they get the best of both worlds.  The Enhancer pellets aren't just plain pellets with Palm Oil added they also have other extracts in them which is essential to a healthy bird, so mixing up a few of each and chuck in some museli as well  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Sorted.
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