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[J13ME]

Hey guys and girls.

Just starting fresh as the old post got a bit cluttered with various things..

Screaming.. Still, we have just moved house which we hoped would help. As soon as he is back in his cage it's constant.

Had stuff to unpack last night so couldn't sit with him in sofa like normal, I left him to play on his cage with normally he likes but he just stood there screaming.

As soon as I had him on sofa he was fine. It's a lot more noticeable here as we have had wooden floors fitted (so he can come out on his own) but this means it echoes (BADLY)

I tried contacting the behavioral specialist like you recommended but had no reply. He is too crazy for him it seems!

I don't really know where to go from here?

Thanks

[Angel Feathers]

Oh what a shame the move hasn't helped. If he is screaming when out of the cage too, is it literally just when he's alone?  Does he have plenty of toys to play with when he's on his cage?
I do know how you are feeling, Ozzy has developed a high pitched squeal that literally vibrates through your ears and he's doing it more and more when he can see us, but seems to be a bit more quiet when he cant.  If he has something really intersting to chew / play with, he hardly does it. If he is outside, he doesn't do it at all  we're ignoring it and hoping that he will get over it soon.

[Mandi]

Jamie there's a couple parrot behaviourists around on fb
Candy Bradley I think one lady is called
Did you also Contact your vet ?
What about his diet ?
Tell me more about his routine x

[J13ME]

I will have a check around. Thanks,

His diet is mainly nutribird p15. We struggle to get him to eat any fruit/veg other than grapes really, he will occasionally have a little bit of other stuff but 9/10 he will leave it!

We tried something new today..

He was bad in the morning, screaming with few seconds between screams and not giving up... I was at work so my partner waited for him to stop for a break, (so he doesn't see it as a good thing) then got him out..

He had a mixture of doing his own thing round the house and sitting with Danielle, she even fell asleep for a couple of hours and he sat on the sofa above her. He was out for a total of probably 5 hours, he flew back to his cage so dani shut the door and went upstairs to do some house work. He was quiet for about 2 hours just his usual happy chit chat..

I get home.. Get him out for about 15/20 mins then put him away again so I could sort a few bits out and make dinner...

The. He started again! Not massively bad, it was screaming mixed with chit chat. He done this throughout making and eating dinner.

I then got him out for his evening play, he stayed out for a while.. Starting grinding his beak so I put him to bed and covered him and he has been silent.

Hmmm?

Thanks

[watts1]

Jamie do you think that he can be trusted to not be in a cage at all??

Some birds just aren't meant to be caged!!

If there is someone home for most of the day then it could work.

When I got Bertie she hated her cage so I bought a Java and and she was so much happier, she was left free even when I went out, but she is a bird that can be trusted.

My birds are all out now, but they have their own room so they can do what they like, all doors, walls and skirting are still intact because they have plenty to keep them occupied.

You can still keep the cage but leave the door open for him, just get him a good stand with lots to do.

There is a risk of him wrecking things but to test this you could always pop out for 5 mins, 10 mins, 15 etc etc to see if he does misbehave or whether he just chills and sleeps or plays with his toys..... Then you can work out whether he can be trusted.

[greenfield10@karoo]

You've spoken real sense there Soo, Mandi does the same with peach.,we can leave both of ours out of their  cage & they don't chew things up while were out, they too like to be out of their cage but we leave the door open for them to do as they please

[J13ME]

It's only weekend when there is someone home all day now.

Same happened again today, perfect all day, Danielle said 3-4 screams max.. I come home.. Straight away!

Get him out and let him roam while I get changed and he is standing on his cage screaming!

[Mandi]

Jamie, baby greys wouldn't be left alone for at least a year, and when bonded to their chosen one again never far apart,
Maybe he hs just bonded with you and isn't handling bein apart ??
Have you given him foraging opportunities ?
And please don't give up on veg
Try it cooked/served  all different ways
X


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[watts1]

Thanks Dave, I gave that same advice to Mandi a few years ago with Peach.

[watts1]

Jamie it sounds Mandi is right and that maybe he's over bonded to you.

You need to teach him to be more independent even when you are around, and that he will still get attention from you even if he plays on his own.

If he's on his own during the day throughout the week then he will be anxious to get to you as soon as you come home.

[Mandi]

Thanks Dave, I gave that same advice to Mandi a few years ago with Peach.

And did it work YES it's been 2 yrs now xx


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[J13ME]

Hmmm, that would make sense!

How could I get him a bit more independent? Danielle said he screamed a little when her mum come over (they get on really well) and when she stopped fussing him and went for a tour of the new house it started again.

So what you said does make sense, it's like he done the same thing with her.

It's so bad at the minute, I have dreaded coming home to my new house which I should be super excited about. I LOVE spending time with him. More than anything, that's the hardest thing about this.

The noise is honestly too much at the minute

Help us

[Mandi]

Jamie it's not gonna happen over night
You've got to give him things to do
Hide treats in paper
Put his food in a forraging toy
Give him a Argos book to shred
Hang veg on a Kebob in his cage for him to shred/eat
It's all about keeping them busy
Does he have a playstand or java tree ? X

[J13ME]

He doesn't have a play stand as he didn't like/use his old one at all.

Yesterday he was horrendous all day, had the girlfriend phone me up at work crying saying she had tried everything.

This morning, he woke up and was whistling away being lovely so went and got him. Had him while we layed in bed for an hour or so and was being great.

Just put him away while we wash up...

Constant! 10 seconds after we put him away!

Danielle wants to rehome, I can't even consider that. We have such a strong bond and enjoy each other's company so much that's not even an option.

It's just too much for the neighbours and my partner it's something he has started, I know for a fact it's not normal. I grew up with 2 greys and never had anything like this! It's a phase that will pass, I just need to pass it before Danielle says it's too much

[Mandi]

Jamie
Record him again
Are you sure it's just not normal noise
Playstands can go ignored for months x

[Angel Feathers]

My Floyd hated his stand for months before he would consider it, it took lots of patience and his stand being constantly next to his cage whenever he was in it, eventually with me stood next to it he flew over for an investigation then it was fine, with plenty of his favourite toys attached to it.
It really does sound like he only wants to be with you and out of the cage which is exactly how Ozzy is going - Im sure that with time he will learn but in the meantime Im constantly loading his cage up with lots of things for him to do and Im even getting a 2nd cage to put him in the conservatory when Im not around. 
Stick with it

[watts1]

As Mandi has said, giving him lots of things to do to keep him interested!

I swear by the foraging buckets, just fill it up with all sorts of foot toys, blocks and shapes from old toys, acrylic dummies etc etc etc.

Palm and willow toys for him to chew and shred bit by bit, wooden toys for him to chew, puzzle toys for him to figure out etc etc. You need to teach him how to play if he doesn't already know.

You say it's something he has started, but he's started it for a reason, and that could be down to you!!

You need to figure it out, and change the behaviour!!

[LynnP]

Gizmo is very much like this but instead of screaming she chews her wings instead! She's stopped all that now with the help of foraging toys and puzzles etc to keep her busy in the cage, she's quite happy in her cage as long as I'm not around.
So the way I get round it is to accommodate her needs as much as possible so basically if I'm home she's out of her cage either with me or on her play area and that keeps her happy (and me too cos its really upsetting to watch)

What about some ceiling toys instead of a play stand? Like a large sisal boing near his cage that he can sit on when you're home? It wont happen overnight but it can be done with time and patience.

Its probably quite unsettling for him to have moved house first to your parents then your new house so give him time.

[J13ME]

Thanks alot. He was really bad today. Total angel when he was out tonight. Was good fun, all he was doing is saying "tickle tickle" every time I touched him! Haha

I can't find a way to upload the video though

[J13ME]

I'm going to try take another video. I'm now laying in bed listening to him, making the best noises! It's so nice I don't even want to get up as I know what I'm in for when I do

I'm going to record the noises his is making now for a few mins, then go say good morning then go to kitchen and make a tea.

This is normally all it takes