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[watts1]

So, Matt and Kal confirmed exactly what we've been telling you, hopefully now you will listen and take the advice given to you!!

You also have to bear in mind that your bird escaped at a very young age, that must of had an impact on him and his behaviour!

[kazky]

Jaime why don't you try not being in the room where he is but constantly talking to him, just see if he can tolerate it, as I said, as long as Yvie knows i'm around she's happy. If he does the scream stop responding to him. I know how annoying it must be but just be silent when he does it. He needs to un-learn that behaviour.

[Mandi]

Jamie I presume you have a flock call ?
All mine do it to me when they hear me but can't see me and I do it back to them to reassure them I'm still around
It's something they would do in the wild too
Morning and evening esp
A little like doin a class register I guess

[greenfield10@karoo]

Yes when we come in the house its normally via the back door so the birds cant see us & we always shout" were home u2"So yes like a register
On the subject of attention
 Irene had a day out last week with our lovely sister in law
Alison brought Irene back home so she came in for a cuppa :cheekywink
:We don't get many visitors & the birds went crazy  screaming & carrying off something terrible
They wouldn't let Irene & Alison talk they were so loud
Alison ( whos a real animal lover & an ex staff nurse/ ex midwife: ) just calmly walked over to the cage on her own & had a little chat to em both for about 5 mins & they never uttered another peep all the time she stayed 
Its just working em out at times that's the hard part

[J13ME]

This is where Im confused. I have tried everything you guys said?

Matt said we are doing everything perfectly?

When I get home I go straight to him first thing and say hello and give him a head rub so he knows I am home.

the foraging bucket still hasn't arrived but been making lots of toys for him though anyway in the mean time.

cheers

[Mandi]

Jamie , it will just take time
Maybe when you come in from work don't go straight over to the cage , as he will think as soon as you come in your 'his'
You can just call 'helloooo' to him or do your flock call
You've got to wean him off thinkin he has to be with you 24/7
It's gonna be hard and will test you but it's for his own good and your well bein x


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[watts1]

Jamie this is the reply I gave you back in January!!!!!!!!


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  John I thought EXACTLY THE SAME THING!!

Jamie that really is no noise!!!

How's about you live with my Ammies for the week!!! I have the noisiest species of Amazon parrot, their noise can easily perforate an ear drum. My Ammies can can be heard 1000 yards down the road FACT.

In that vid he looks agitated because he wants out. So what if he chews, they are material items which can always be replaced.... I've lost laptops, phones, remotes, even a £1000 telly, all because of Haydes. If you don't want it chewed, then move it!!
He really needs at least 4 hours out of cage time, even if you do it in hourly intervals, 1 hour in the morning, 1 hour at lunch, 1 hour at dinner, 1 hour in the evening before bed. It is easier to manage him at hourly intervals then to have him out for 1 period of time over a few hours. Get plenty of foot toys, a foraging bucket, hang some ropes, or swings etc etc to keep him busy.

You are the owner, it is your job to make it work, he did not ask to live in a cage. If he presents you with a problem, you need to figure out how to fix that problem!!



Since when does it take from January til now for a foraging bucket to arrive!!??

I told you then to get plenty of foot toys, to set up a play area to keep him busy etc etc



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[Angel Feathers]

Jamie , it will just take time
Maybe when you come in from work don't go straight over to the cage , as he will think as soon as you come in your 'his'
You can just call 'helloooo' to him or do your flock call
You've got to wean him off thinkin he has to be with you 24/7
It's gonna be hard and will test you but it's for his own good and your well bein x

OMG Mandi, I dont have a flock call or any idea what it would sound like?  Do you just call out to them?

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[kazky]

its just something to let them know you are around Mandie, the first thing Yvie and I do when I get home is shout 'hellloooooooo' to each other, its a sound like we've been away from each other forever

the rest of the time I shout ' what you doing' and she replies back the same. Any word/sound will do, just reassurance that you are there.

[J13ME]

He has everything apart from the bucket, I bury his food (he has very deep bowls) below paper, cardboard etc.

He was a diamond tonight. Little  though with the hoover! he was absailing down the side of the cage and super stretching over to the hoover so he could chew the brush attachment

only had a couple of screams. Perfect. He has on/off days and I do NOTHING at all different!

He has a play date this week too 

[watts1]

It's not about the bucket!!!!!!

The fact is you have taken no time to try and understand why he is screaming!
  It's something he's started All you have done is try to find solutions to fix it without finding and understanding the cause!
The screaming is down to you, not the bird!!

You posted up back in Dec that you thought it could be because of the dog you were looking after, so what do you do 9 months down the line..... You get a dog!!

You may think you're the perfect owner because you've given him the best of everything, well guess what.. It takes a hell of a lot more than that!!!

I told you back in January, you needed to figure it out and sort it!! All you've done is moan about how constant and loud is it, how it's upsetting the misses, the neighbours and you, and how you can't live with it. Not once have you questioned what you have done wrong to cause it!!!!!! All the blame has been on the bird. You've tried quick fix solutions to no avail, well it's not gonna stop until you stop blaming the bird and realise that it's down to you and your actions!!

[FeatherMonkey]

Reading this thread back you're reaffirming it and you have separation anxiety... Not going to fix that so don't try that boat has sailed....

So you have a parrot that wants you, has learnt that if it screams you turn up.. So what if you cover, that's inconsequential beyond adding to the anxiety now the person that birdyman wants puts him in the dark triggering the lets be quiet from prey mode.. Increasing anxiety... Then we have I laugh when he makes the noise. Combine this with yourself being tense, uptight, angry and pensive they are flock animals they will pick up from you they wont reason why, all they know is it's time to be tense, uptight ..... They escape as a flock so they won't miss cues you dont know you're giving off...

So ruling out what isn't going to fix it and having separation anxiety generally caused by anthropomorphising them.... next will be the terrible 2's which is prime example of anthropomorphising them.

So start with Baby steps, don't focus on what you don't want but what you do want. So you want a parrot that calls nicely when it misses you eventually getting to the point where it doesn't miss you... Personally I'd try clicker training it starting with little more than 30 secs out of the room building up to what you need.

But parrots will make noise, happy parrots do... Never forget they are wild birds kept in captivity and try to think like them and don't anthropomorphise them.

[kazky]

some good points there feathermonkey

[J13ME]

Soo I personally think that comment was very harsh and no need for that AT ALL! If you read back (and watch videos) you will see this is a totally different noise. He has his 'happy and playing sound' which is when he seems to get over excited and attacking toys (which I now know is normal so thats fine) but this attention scream is a different ball game. The only way I can stop is to do what he wants... but that is just making it worse!

I know for a fact he is happy, healthy and loving life. You only see the problems on here, I don't come on here and post saying we just spent hours together, made toys together etc.. I use this forum for information and I don't need info on things like that.

You must just see it as he is sitting in a tiny cage in the corner, no fuss, no toys etc where in actual fact the cause of this problem is the opposite! he is OVER fussed and wants nothing but that!

I wouldn't even hesitate in saying he is better cared for than 90% of the parrots in the UK, he is like a child to us both more than a pet bird!

So it massively offends me that you would basically call me ignorant and make it out to sound like I am mistreating the bird when the problem is in fact caused by the opposite as said!

The dog has nothing at all to do with it, it just so happened we had the dog at the same time he was old enough to start properly climbing and playing with toys (hence the noise started)

he is massively interested in the puppy, he goes down to see her and makes kissed noise when they touch through the cage.. only I and VERY rarely Danielle get the kisses, so I know he isn't scared! he doesn't puff up, flap away, or anything.. he goes out his way to climb down and feed her fruit (which is bloody annoying by the way as it isn't good for her) haha

So now you have put your opinion across and I have said mine I would appreciate if you would no longer concern yourself with this thread or any other of mine. You clearly would rather pick and try and belittle me more than help! (which I know you tried but the suggestions didn't work, which didnt allow for the digs you gave at me!)

FeatherMonkey, thanks for that! I understand what your saying.. with the covering up though.. He doesn't go quiet.. He literally just stops the scream.. he whistles, talks and sings? If anything he is louder (apart from the scream) with it on

he has been perfect the last couple of days, nothing but loving and even strangely friendly with new people (men) where he would normally flare up and get away.. he is getting curious and letting them stroke (the occasional lunge at them but 10000x better than previous times he has met other men!)

thanks a lot

[J13ME]

Also, a quick one about separation anxiety.. I don't know if I have said but he will not do it if I'm not around? I am currently upstairs and he is happily chatting and playing away? It would only be if he was too see me he does it?

I understand with dogs, the anxiety is shown by crying, howling and destructive behaviour while you are out, in bed etc but he is fine alone (or with other people) its just me, if I'm in the kitchen he will climb to the edge of his cage, lean over just to see me and scream, yet with Danielle he will happily play away and not be fussed?


Thanks

[watts1]

Jamie I have basically told you exactly how it is by all the stuff you have said!!!!!!!


You don't like it, don't moan about your bird and how you can't live with the screaming!!!!! Let's not forget you're worried that your misses is gonna leave because of that bird, or that she wants to rehome him!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not once said you have mistreated that bird, so get off your high horse and give yourself a reality check!!!!!!!!!

You may think that comment was harsh, but I and most people on here know that what I've said is the truth!!!

[J13ME]

Im not denying its hard, it has been putting a lot of stress on us for sure. I just don't need you judging when in actual fact you know very little other than the screaming.

As for other people agreeing, every person I have had come to see us see's nothing but a happy healthy bird with a single problem, people have apologised on your behalf for your comments towards me also.. So yes I agree, seems people agree with you for sure.

While I appreciate I may have gone the wrong way about him from the start, fussing to levels I could not continue with etc.. I also do not have a single regret for the way I have raised him as I have a bird now I can get out and trust 100% with me! As the super trainer you are, can you honestly say you can trust your birds around your face etc? He is the perfect parrot, other than the scream his level of training is amazing. He steps up on command without fail, he understands gentle when he nips a bit hard, he is toilet trained! for someone who doesn't understand his bird/cares to try and understand I have done pretty well!

Shows the time and care I have put in with him to build this bond! I know some people live for their birds, stay at home and have them out all day.. but I am 24, I have to build my assets and finances to allow me to do this in the future! I know of many birds (through the Facebook pages etc) that are literally fed and watered daily, have little out time and still healthy birds. So I know for sure what I am doing is above and beyond what is needed for a happy healthy bird!

[FeatherMonkey]

Your still doing it move on, sadly parrots aren't as dumb as dogs... So he's worked out sing nice things and the cover comes off.

Whether it's separation anxiety or not is just details. It could be he's learnt its pointless when you've given him a cue you're going out. Or it's nothing more than a game to get you back, either way it's irrelevant.

I remember chatting to the vet about radio transmitters, it was pointed out they're not dumb enough to leave the aerial alone.

Just stick with the results you want to achieve and work towards them, working with what's given to you.... I've got a bookshelf with one shelf lost, I sacrificed one shelf to save 3.

They aren't like owning a dog.... They will always do what they want to do. You have to make what they want to do, what you want them to do. Only predators force prey.

[kazky]

Good points again feather, Jaime as you say you do your absolute best for him, no one can expect more, you just need to work through this and remember, he's also getting to the terrible two's more joy to follow! Ha ha

[J13ME]

It does seem ignoring it is working. He is sitting on his cage and doing his own thing, every now and then he will stop, stare at me and as soon as I look he screams I just ignore that, wait until he whistles then sing alone with him or go get him when he is being good and it seems to work. Its just when I'm busy after a long day and I can't even wash my clothes without him deathening me its a problem

another thing.. I would put a large sum of money on the fact that the man that invented the phrase 'test fire alarms weekly' DID NOT HAVE A PARROT lol 2 bleeps from each alarm, nothing for days then last night he sat there for about 20 minutes just copying the alarm. Insane how he can pick it up and wait so long before trying/doing it. He has also just mastered the dogs squeaky toy too. That certainly raises Kira's ears when she is half asleep next to it and it hasn't been touched