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Baby grey giving us trouble
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:05:45 PM »

We’re having African grey problems, advice would be appreciated!

Reyna is 13 weeks old, been with us for a week and seems to have lots of energy. She can become quite feisty if things don’t go her way and has drawn blood on quite a few occasions.  She was apparently hand reared but really bites hard if we are to do anything other than hand feed her seeds or scratch the back of her head. With all that being said she has improved allot since she arrived last week but never the less is still causing trouble. We are being extra careful in ignoring the bites and only rewarding by clicking and giving treats when she does anything positive.

However, I worry that our approach is allowing her to feel like she is the leader of the pack. If she gets unsettled she often attacks our hands, even if were holding up a treat which she is normally OK with. The strange part of it is that when she flies off her cage onto the curtains and we have to rescue her she is relatively kind to us and doesn't bite whilst we walk her back to her cage. I worry that she sees her cage as her territory and as a result is impeding our ability to tame her.

Her high energy levels are also bringing us problems when it comes to bed time. After struggling to get her in her cage she will often climb the height of her cage and often drop from the top falling to the bottom. We have solved this problem by building a ‘second’ floor to her cage, preventing her from dropping from too high, but the problem still remains as she stills onto her back.

If anyone has any solutions to the above it would be much appreciated.

 
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 10:17:04 PM »

Hi Brandon
Iv had 3 greys from babies and never had this problem
Maybe others will be along to offer their view :)
Have you tried basic training?
Like step up ?click n treat
Touch training?
It will give you the upper hand
She has got to see u as leader
Does she prefer you or your partner ?
Our latest baby prefers me and I can do anything with her
My partner can handle her too but she isn't keen on our kids 19, 18 n 10
Cage aggression is Usualy in older birds but I guess anything is possible
It's still early days and all she knew was her breeder so just give her time xx
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 10:47:25 PM »

Thanks for the input.

Based on our intuition and your feedback I'm starting to think that she wasn't reared very well, or at all.

To answer your questions.

If I am to hand feed her seeds for around ten minutes she begins to calm down and become little friendlier. Yes we use the clicker when giving her treats.

She hasn't really taken to either of us so I wouldn't have said she has a favourite.
 
I have taped my fingers up with skin coloured plaster to attempt the ‘step up’ training but she seems far happier with her feet on her cage. She also gives me the warning bite when she feels like it.

The funny thing is she is happy taking seeds from our hands and will happily do so for long periods. However, we haven’t tried touch training but whenever we put any sort of object(food bowls, spoon, etc...) in front of her she will just aggressively grab it whilst biting hard. We will try touch training next. Sometimes she will step up onto the bowl which you are holding but then proceed to bite your fingers which are holding the bowl!

We will of course give her as much time as she needs. Thanks for the input.
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2014, 06:33:21 AM »

What other than seed are you feeding her
I found my latest baby to be grumpy If she wasn't getting her warm veg meal
You could try mashed warm safe veg on a spoon to help bonding
Little porridge made with water and maybe add a small amount of honey
Did you visit whilst she was bein reared ?
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 08:26:34 AM »

did you get her from a pet shop? my experience is that their hand rearing is really feeding them and shoving them back in a cage. It shouldn't be classed as hand rearing at all.

I got my Yvie from a pet shop when she was 17 weeks old, and she was quite similar to what you are explaining. With her it seemed like she was just finding her way, testing who we are etc. And she used to have a game where she climbed up the curtain and used to bite me hard & swing round, it was just a game and it was how she played.

have you tried leaving her alone to let her get used to everything? She is just a baby and probably hasn't had any family life. Talk to her lots, offer food etc, but let her make her mind up if she wants to step up, don't force it for a while. And don't worry about her thinking she's leader of the flock, i'm not sure that really exists anyway, and you have plenty of time to teach her.

A week is such a short time to have her, take it slowly.
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 11:29:28 AM »

No we bought her from a lady who breads them. We ended up paying above the going rate in hope that the she would be well reared.

kazky, what you describe sounds allot like what we are going through. I share your opinion in thinking that she is just playing as she treats her toys just like she treats our fingers.

During the day, the longest we have left her alone is around 6 hours. She seems to prefer the top of her cage so we always have to be somewhat close incase she flies off and needs rescuing.

Thanks for the rest of the advice.
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 11:31:52 AM »

Mandi,

We have tried her on all the foods mentioned and more. We initially visited once before picking her up to take home. She was a 2 hour drive away so it was difficult.

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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 11:47:02 AM »

I think you are doing ok Brandon, I think it's just a case of time and you all getting to know her and vice versa.

Once you've got of the 'getting to know each other' hurdle, you'll find out how much fun she is, I did go through a panic phase when I though Yvie would never stop biting!
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2014, 02:05:46 PM »

Thanks for your reassurance. We will keep at it.
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2014, 02:32:06 PM »

keep us informed, it's good just to mention any issues here, usually at least one of us will have experienced the problem.  :rofl:
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2014, 07:21:43 PM »

 Brandon , I think  Mandi & Kaz have covered this well :thumbsup:
 But just has a matter interest ( unless ive missed it :crazy: ) do you cover your bird up fully on a night ?
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2014, 11:20:29 PM »

Hi Brandon, welcome to you and reyna. Looking at her hatch date makes reyna only 9 and a bit weeks old, which is very young or you have been given the wrong date? This would explain some of her behaviour, the falling from a height etc.  Maybe at this time she needs more than pellets and still needs baby foods/formula? 

Pad out the bottom of her cage more and let her come out to you, not put your hands in her cage. If jasper won't go to bed I get a cushion and she will step on that x
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2014, 11:31:17 PM »

Where did you see her hatch date Jules?
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2014, 11:38:07 PM »

Just above where it says parrots owned, it says her hatchdate was the 1st October, so if I'm right reyna is around 9/10 weeks not 13 x
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2014, 12:07:53 AM »

Oh I can't see that on tapatalk, hopefully that's wrong x
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2014, 02:03:12 PM »

Apologies for the delay in response.

I created this account before we knew her exact birthdate. I will go ahead and change her birthday after I submit this post. Thanks for the concern in any case.

Jules.

We have bought her a smaller cage so she cant hurt her self whilst climbing around. Fortunately she only has to be in this smaller cage at night as my wife is a round during the day to hang out with her. We have already seen her ability to climb improve so perhaps in a few weeks time we can move her back to the bigger cage.

greenfield10@karoo,
Yes we cover her up at night. She tends to climb less when its dark.

Will keep this thread updated with any progress.

Thanks for your time,
Brandon
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Re: Baby grey giving us trouble
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2014, 11:35:55 PM »

My apologies Brandon, I was worried you had a young grey with you. I do hope he settles better over the next few weeks, he does probably need more time to adjust :)
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