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« on: July 01, 2016, 12:36:51 PM »

Hi everyone. Please please. Can you help. My African grey Smokey is 1 now and has it in big style for my 12 year old daughter. She has never done anything to upset him however when he is out of his pen and she is around he chases her and has now started to give her nasty bites. Obviously this is not acceptable and as soon as he bites her I put him back in. However he is doing it all of the time and my husband is getting to the stage where he says Smokey must stay in his cage at all times. Obviously I know this isn't fair on the bird but we can't have him hurting her. Am at my wits end knowing what to do for the best.
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2016, 06:10:12 PM »

I'd bite someone if I got put away.  Time out is very very hard to use, it's about avoiding the bite so you can reward. You don't stop thr behaviour you encourage the behaviour you want.

Sounds like a fantastic game for a parrot to play plenty of noise and drama to reward, then someone puts him away. It sounds like he likes the attention to me.

Don't know how long it's been going on I also presume a youngster vs mate jealousy.

There isn't a one fix it's about removing the reinforcement and training the behaviour you want.

Punishing a parrot is a lesson in futility, removing interaction is going to make it worse. It's by working through it, it gets better.

Sadly this is how many rehoming carousel birds begin.

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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2016, 06:32:58 PM »

Just looking back at your past posts strawbs & you first posted about Smokey biting your daughter in February 2015. Has he does it constantly since then?

I'm a bit concerned that he's going to be stuck in his cage all the time, is he in the living room where everyone is or is there some room he can have some quality time out of his cage.

you can't predict who they'll like or dislike but you need to find a way around it as its going to give him an unbearable life stuck in a cage.


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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 03:34:41 PM »

 Thanks guys. Yes he did start last year but stopped soon after without me doing anything. He has started again over the last few weeks but much worse. She has ignored him and not given him any response hen he goes for get but am so nature of hat o do o help. He is in us pen in he font room where there us always activity. He does spend time out and really enjoys it however he can't be out all time. His pen is full of different toys so when he is in he isn't bored. And ideas how I can break the biting behaviour .
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 03:37:42 PM »

 Oh gosh half of that made no sense. She does make no sound when he goes for her but this hasn't stopped him. Obviously I don't want him in his pen all the time as that is really unfair on him .
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 07:52:30 PM »

I'm wondering if it's the way she is with Smokey? If she pulls away from him or makes jerky movements? My niece is eleven but still fidgets and walks fast without thinking, as she doesn't come to stay often now. Also it could be something about her he doesn't like, hair or clothes add to that he is still a youngster and still learning. Will he sit and share food with your daughter? x
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2016, 08:28:18 AM »

She did begin to run away and shout which I found out from here Smokey thought was great. So she stopped and so did he. However a couple of months ago he began again and now goes for her every time she is in the house and he is out. Am at my wits end knowing how to help both of them. Xxxxxx
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 04:49:48 PM »

If it happened last year and again at a similar time this year it could be hormones
Have you tried anything to help this
Dry raspberry leaves in his meals can help
Also make sure he is getting 12 hours sleep time every evening
Avoid animal protein foods and warm meals too
No strokin below the head and if he shows signs of wanting to mate with other members of the family this must be Totaly ignored and him placed back on a play stand etc



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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2016, 04:51:33 PM »

Sorry just looked and he's only a year old
I'm guessing he once got a huge reaction and now it's a game
I'm sure you can reach a compromise as I know my 12 yr old isn't home 24/7 with school and friends etc so maybe you can give him time out when she's not around :)


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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2016, 06:41:46 PM »

He's 2 year old I think?
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 09:27:41 AM »

 Oh heck. I have you all confused sorry. He is 18 months bless him and I love him sooooo very much. I cover him up at 9 each evening and I don't hear him again till 6 in the morning. Am not sure how much sleep he gets as my 20 yr oldi s down till 11 ish. He does seem to be really grumpy in the morning after the initial joy of seeing me and I have to leave him alone when I get him out. He stepped up for my 12 year old this morning bless him but after she put him down and walked away the little monkey dive no bed her. I do get him out first thing in the morning and then he is out for a few hours. He then goes in at 4 when my little one gets home from school. I am bearing with it but need a few ideas on how to tame the aggression. I am NOT going to sell him but want the best for him and my family.
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2016, 09:31:05 AM »

It really is working through it in the above post. He needs rewarding for the nice step up. It really is a case of trying your hardest not to get bit, so maybe someone can step in the way. It's by reinforcing the not flying at your daughter you'll fix it. It's literally teaching not to fly at your daughter, it's not the same as stopping it, it's pro active and positively rewarded.

Might find a distraction technique could aid, but it plays into the prey instinct using fear. I.e. Use a towel or cloth to drop as coming towards, even a waving hand in front of the target spot might work.

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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 01:54:52 PM »

Thank you so much for your advice . I gave him a treat and then my daughter went to give him one but he bit her instead of going for the treat. She does flap a towel at him when he goes for her to try and frighten him off a bit. I will try getting in the way to see if that helps. When I was at work last night and Smokey was in his pen she was able to feed him his veg mix on a spoon through the bars and he sat and ate it and was in a good mood. I wander do you think when i am at home he wants me all to himself. I think also he may want to think he is the boss of the house. He is such a character bless him.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 02:26:33 PM »

Oh dear, please don't let her flap towels or anything or he will see that as either a game, which in turn he will thinks it's fun to bite at the towel, and her fingers, with or without the towel, or he will become fearful of towels, blankets and such. I have this problem with Xavier when I try to weigh him or put him in his carrier, as people in the past have thrown towels over him to catch him, so now I only have to move a towel near him and he pounces on it  :nono:
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 06:37:59 PM »

Yeah think you might need to back away from distraction techniques. I agree flapping is just as likely to trigger the fear response, which is flight or fight.

No I don't think an 18mth would be mate aggressive, though I'd argue that's reinforced. If the parrot wants someone to leave and they leave it's been reinforced.

I've got 2 very well socialised parrots who generally accept anything/anyone with in reason. Yet I have a new tattoo on my arm when I walked out yesterday it was pink. Both of them aren't yet quite sure, I picked Willow up and got a full blown fluff.

People seem to miss they are scared of everything, everything could be a parrot eating machine. If you force your will you're just a bully. I work with something called the trust account so they do something I ask they get rewarded, depositing into the account. Now when you need to get them to do it and you make them, you withdraw.

They're not silly animals if they get the response they want expect the behaviour. I'm a great believer you get what you put in. But fear is there primary drive, change, fast moving objects are a possible threat. As prey animals grazing/foraging change is likely to be a predator.

Short story is he doesn't trust your daughter, difficult bit is getting rewards into her account.  Guessing he also associates your daughter with attention and going away a negative and positive reinforcement.

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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2016, 07:21:55 AM »

I totally forgot how scared AG can get of things and people. I will stop her from flapping things at him as i really dont want him to be scared of anything or anyone bless him. i have started to reward the good behaviour with his fav snacks and am over exagerating the good boys when i say them. Gosh i am continually learning with Smokey. I did read lots of books about AG which have helped but this website has been so very useful for me and Smokey. Thank you for all your help and avice it really does help.
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Re: Biting birdy
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2016, 10:42:42 PM »

Most greys I think are afraid of everything. Jasper is scared of her own eggs, and wouldn't go in her cage while they were there, silly bean I call her  :biggrin:

Hopefully Smokey will learn along with your daughter to be calmer, and this could be just a phase for him :)
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