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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2015, 05:49:07 AM »

@FeatherMonkey

Thanks for the words of advice. I was sitting here thinking. What could it be? It so happens these days I've been remodeling my living room, so there's nothing in the living room aside from the tv, the cage and the chair that I have to sit next to the cage.  Although Charlie has been like this from way before my living room project. As I said, he will come once in a blue moon. Usually this will happen in my absence.  So I know for sure it's not anything in the room. It might be me :(

But I suppose you are right, I just have to bribe him with pistachios and crisps and just await patiently. He has gotten better. But the fact he doesn't ever leave the cage concerns me.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2015, 09:43:35 AM »

Mmm you need to find a different choice of bribery. Salty fatty foods aren't good for parrots. Diet has a big impact on stress levels in our parrots.

Makes me curious to what his diet is and when he last had a check up. Also whether all possible plucking causes have been ruled out before defaulting to psychological reasons.

The other thing is being flock animals they pick up from us, if we're fearful, anxious, stressed, depressed etc it will have an impact.

With the above taken into consideration I'd work with what he gives you. So give him a reason to stay/come out when your not there. Say a treat bowl on top with good parrot treats in.

Emptying a room will of had an impact, especially if change/new things aren't experienced a lot. As someone said to me a long time ago fruit trees don't change. Imagine a parrot feeding in a tree any change is likely to be a threat.

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Something I missed sounds like Charlie doesn't fly. If this is the case, diet will be very important but the main thing is biting will highly likely be fear driven. He only has one out and that's fight.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2015, 10:09:42 AM »

absolutely look at his diet, as tempting as it is to let them eat 'our food' its going to cause problems. As Stefan says diet is a huge factor in plucking/behaviour etc.

Just to highlight how fickle they are and how the slightest change in their environment can affect them, here's what i've found about my Yvie.

She suddenly became very fearful of me, to the point where she would fly frantically away from me when i went to pick her up. If she did have to let me pick her up, i could see she was terrified of me.

After thinking about what it could be i've now realised (after months of deliberation and trial and error changes) i've realised that its something to do with my hair. I have long blonde hair and i've made no changes, but now if i have may hair down around Yvie, at certain points she bites me to avoid me. As soon as i put it up, she nods and all is ok.

The only thing i can think is the colour is slightly changing with my age and grey hairs are visible to her eyes.

it's the weirdest thing!
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2015, 04:15:41 PM »

@FeatherMonkey
I try not to give him too many pistachios. An avian breeder told me all of that salt wasn't good for them, plus it makes them fat. I might have to stock up on the grapes and mandarins. That is also something that they consider to be wow.

I had Charlie checked up a year ago, and there was nothing there. I feed them pellets, various types of veggies, human food. the occasional nuts/seeds. I try to vary a lot especially on the greens.

I am playing more with him now. He comes close to the open cage door and will hang upside down to play with me. But he will not stand on the door like Amanda and want to be picked up. I suppose it could be a question of time.  Though prior to my marriage he couldn't fly either, but he would still leave the cage at least to just stand on top of the cage and idle (the cage is right by the window). However, he is more "alive" the last few days. Lots of talking and whistling the Indiana Jones theme.

@kazky
The only experience with me being scared of me like that was me using glasses instead of contact lenses. But after a while he got used to it, and wanted to chew them. Took him a while to understand that the glasses were off limits.
But you are on to something. It might be something with me. Maybe even psychologically, I can't put my finger on it. Although he doesn't resist being picked up by me, when he is in a pickle. He's on the floor and I am in another room, he will go to me and he will step up and stand on my shoulder.
They are complicated creatures, aren't they?
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2015, 04:33:03 PM »

Going on your reply seems you're doing fine. I'd just let time work.

Think the lack of flying is an issue that you'll just have to work with, it will have an impact. Being on the floor for a parrot is a very vulnerable place. For some reason it's taken Will nearly 12 years to get comfortable enough to lead the way(boy do I wish he hadn't started). Now Hickory has been doing it for years.

I'd just carry on the way you are just remember on his terms. I expect you'll get a few more break throughs over the next few months. It sounds like he's already trying to get you to interact with him.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2015, 08:15:49 AM »

@FeatherMonkey

He seems to be more playful and more interested in interacting with me. He doesn't "leave" when I come near the cage. However, he has picked up again on his crappy habbit of doing his "batman" thing. As soon as I leave the living room for a moment, he will hang upside down. Hanging by one foot and grabbing his tail with the other and he will hang there until I show up and say "Charlie, what are you doing?". He will look at me and get back on his perch. I am not sure if my approach to this is the right thing to do. I don't want him to be stressed out, and when he does this Amanda becomes very restless as well. Any ideas on how to tighten some of those screws?
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2015, 08:47:13 AM »

Just ignore at the moment you're drama rewarding...  Which is kinda good, he's waiting for you to come back and say 'Charlie, what you doing'. Noise is fun... Not sure Amanda's behaviour is down to Charlie, but suspect separation anxiety.  Some use a call that they use when out of the room. Try to turn up when the behaviour is what you want(You reward by turning up). You train the behaviour you want and ignore the one you don't. Praise and reinforce when you come into behaviour that you do want.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2015, 03:35:54 PM »

So another update.

Charlie seems to be responding well. He even came for a scratch in the morning by himself. That's very unlike him. Took FeatherMonkey's advice on ignoring his weird behaviour when he hangs upside down and it seem to be helping.

I have one thing he still does, which annoys me endlessly. At night he is always EXTRA crazy for a scratch. He will come put his head down, and I scratch and then for no reason, he will try to quickly turn his head to bite. I am not sure how to deal with that. I usually just tend to curse under my breath and then walk away. What's the correct course of action with such behaviour?
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2015, 04:23:49 PM »

Sounds like your doing well with him Dewn, its still early days too.
Does he bite when you stop tickling or just a random bite?
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2015, 05:16:57 PM »

The random turning of the head and quickly trying to bite. Not sure why he does that.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2015, 05:23:27 PM »

It depends, it could be a learned 'game' for him, could be you reacted at one point and he wants more. Again continue to ignore the naughty behaviour. My Yvie used to do something similar, she used to climb the curtain near me and hang upside down, when I reached for her she used to grab my finger & bite down, initially it didn't hurt and I thought it was a little funny, but then she progressed to hard bites.
Took a while for herr to stop doing it


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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2015, 05:58:28 PM »

What Kaz said, just reinforce the no biting, so when you get tickles with no bite praise and reward.
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Re: rebuilding trust
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2015, 07:07:20 AM »

So update. Charlie is slowly improving. Although, I am not sure how to deal with his separation anxiety. He still chews his "shoulders". When I am about and about before I leave the house, he gets very nervous. Climbs about the cage, chews his "shoulders" and has his buffalo wings out as in wanting to take off. (This is something he has had from day 1 whe I got him.) Has anybody had experience with remedying that sort of behaviour? I am not sure what to do.
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