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Crazeymacey88

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Should I give harry back :-)
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:10:31 PM »

Iv had harry for 2 years now.i love him but he keeps bitting me.he had my face once and my leg and just now near my wrist.when he bit me he pulls on my skin and don't let go.
It lucky I wrap a tallow around otherwise would of had an chuck bitten off.
Really don't know what to do.
I dont want to end up with lots of scars all over me.i had two already a small one on my face where he just missed me and one small one on my leg which has healed red.
Really don't know what to do.😢

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2016, 09:28:42 PM »

Bites are a part of owning a grey, mainly because of our lack of understanding of their body language. When does he bite?


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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 11:00:20 AM »

Hi

Kaz is right,  and I get what your saying about not wanting to be bitten people own dogs etc and don't expect to get bitten but there will be a time it could nip if it's getting aggravated now I'm not suggesting for one minute Harry is being aggravated but you need to work out why he's biting, yes a grey bite blinking hurts but please don't give up on Harry. How long has be biting? When does he bite? Is it just you he bites? I really do understand your feeling towards not getting bitten and being scared etc I really do no one wants to get scared but I'd take a scar rather than get rid of Mamadou my grey I'd want to know why he's bitten me then and continues to bite me it could be something so small has anything changed in your home that you can think of has he been moved from where his cage was etc, I really hope you get this sorted and I'm sure with a little or lot of understanding with Harry you'll get through this.

Please please don't think I'm being funny I'm not it's like Kaz said we have a lack of understanding of there body language. Let us know how things go

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 09:03:26 AM »

Hi :)
I have 3 greys that would defo bite me if I tried to touch them
We get by usually with no bites
I use step up perches to move them around and treats for the one that won't be handled this way
It's just understanding them all individually
I hope you manage to get through this
We all here to offer help and advice :) xx
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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2016, 12:20:21 PM »

He been bitting seens iv had him. iv olny had harry for 2 years.i have worked out some stuff he doesn't like.i know he don't like to standing on my arm without a tallow around.
He doesn't like hands so I hide my hand in the tallow as well olny when carry him.
I know something when he going to bite as he's feathers stand out and some other ways I know to.
Sometimes he does it for no reason.i could just walk passed.
It can be anytime.
I can just be sitting here and he will walk over happier and just try to bite me.i tell him no then he stops. he does that all the time and when I'm talking to him.
He will happy go on my arm then just bite me.u have to walk slow passed and when holding harry otherwise harry gets worried.i don't have harry on my arm for long.just to move him to one room to another.
He just me he bits.he trys to bite my partner but never gets close enough.
Everyone one else like to talk to harry but won't go to close.
Harry not all bad he does sit next to me talks to me.we make up songs and sometimes sits on my lap sometimes he will let me stork him.
I just wish he wouldn't bite alot.i understand that all animals do bite at some point but not all the time it gets abit much.
Iv read alot of books about harry and I have my own book where I write down everything about him.what food he dose or don't like.what not to give him.
Best toys,his words.ect.
I dont know what's happened to him before iv had him.i know he had some bad stuff happen to him because they told me but there not going to tell me everything.
I think he use to get kicked as he don't like  boots and trainers.i have got him use to them.hes not that bad now.
Iv done the same with other things iv find out he don't like.
I very slowing show him they are not going to hurt him.
I dont think I will get rid of harry.its just at time I feel I need to because he might not like me and I don't won't bad scars.

Don't worry I know are not being funny.
It's brilliant I have all of u to help.
I'm very grateful.


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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2016, 12:28:48 PM »

If he had a traumatic past it could take him a long while to trust. Bear in mind some just don't like to be handled and you may just have to accept that.

They are not cuddly birds, their joy is in their presence, just being able to watch them is amazing.

If he bites you constantly just give him a wide berth. It may be he needs longer to learn to trust again, but it is a fact that they bite.
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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 12:12:24 AM »

Ok thank u very much.x

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 10:45:44 AM »

You'll get there, it is a case that we need to learn to live with them, i'm a firm believer of this, we bring them into our world, so we owe it to them to give them the best life we can, :) x


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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 02:20:23 PM »

Ya very very ture.i was thinking of getting a dvd I saw call good bird.to help harry.
Don't know if u know of it.i find it on eBay.

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2016, 02:21:09 PM »

Ya very very ture.i was thinking of getting a dvd I saw call good bird.to help harry.
Don't know if u know of it.i find it on eBay.

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Or if it would help harry

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2016, 02:28:52 PM »

Any training might help him, its definitely worth a go, but don't buy one from birdtricks.com - got one and it's just useless, pretty much uses the stick training for everything it's telling you. Its just useless
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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 03:58:20 PM »

Training definitely will assist slight problem with rewarding though. Think the biting has become self reinforcing. With the other bits of advice and bits learnt. I'd try to find a way of giving a reward.

When trying to stop behaviour you don't work on that, you work on rewarding the behaviour you want. So any no biting even sitting still rather than trying to bite could be rewarded.

I'm just getting the impression he's very hand shy and that biting is being rewarded or has been(making things stop or go away).

I'd be tempted to work with touch training (I confess never did my 2). It sounds like it will take some work. I'd be trying to lose the hand fear. Training does work but it's not magic fix. Maybe present a treat in a manner that the hand isn't there to begin with. I'd also start right back at the beginning and try to get the hand desensitised. This will take some careful reading aiming to remove the bite, backing out at the slightest negative response and rewarding every tiny step. You may even have to start from a couple of feet away to begin with. You're aiming to empower him he needs to know he's in control. Both of mine have a click which means sort me out started years ago when we snuggled Hickory(she hates her wings being constricted).

For me the biggest thing about training is it helps us communicate with them. You get to understand them better, you learn to predict a refusal. You learn the fear warnings and what's learned behaviour.

I'd start with touch training but find a way to reward that doesn't involve the bite. Really your not stopping the biting but training him not to bite, so lots of rewards for not biting. You aim to lessen the opportunities for biting but reward the no biting. Think with parrot training we tend to try to admonish them and take it personally neither are truths but our failings. They do it for themselves but it has to be a 2 way St. For example just had Hickory sat on the sink in the bathroom, asked her to step up she refused, I left her(empowered her). Yet I also rewarded her a few minutes later for just sitting there.
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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2016, 02:01:22 PM »

Ok great thanks both of you :-)

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2016, 02:01:38 PM »

I'll give it ago.

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2016, 02:02:37 PM »

I think I will use monkey nuts as an reward.he loves them.

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2016, 10:28:32 PM »

Hi

Monkey nuts can harbour spours of a potential illness called Aspergillosis it is often found in decaying food, it is unlikely as you'll be using the nut as a treat that it will come to any harm and given the fact it's a treat it won't be lots as they are quite fatty I believe, just make sure that the monkey nut looks & smells ok if your going to use them.

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Re: Should I give harry back :-)
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2016, 11:45:31 AM »

Look in videos on this site, Pat has done a touch training video and it was invaluable for us. We had similar problems ie inherited issues, there is more than one solution to overcome a hurdle. Once Harry becomes more comfortable the bites will become infrequent.

Sydney still does not step up on our hands ( we have had him almost 4 years) but we accepted that he has an issue and simply got accustomed to moving around on a dish drying wire rack that gave him the perch satisfaction and us some protection from bites. We have managed to get him to accept kisses on his head from all of us, head tickles from the children as well as letting me file his nails when he is holding onto his cage. He has certainly calmed down and is a totally different bird.

Don't give up hope, you are on the right path.
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