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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2011, 02:38:00 PM »

When we first got bella we had no experience etc, we stupidly thought she wouldnt fly away if she got outside, but she went and no amount of me calling her would encourage her to turn around and come back to me, she must of been so scared she just flew and flew. I would never take her outside clipped or not.  Still waiting to get the harness on her :grrr.  You do learn a great lesson when your bird flies away, im just lucky i got a second chance with her
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2011, 05:23:44 PM »

Hi everyone, I just read all of your replies.
Irina is right, we cannot keep Bobby indoors, out of his cage with all the doors and windows locked - it's too hot and we have lots of children round all the time who would invariably forget to close them anyway.  We had to keep Bobby outside because Dave developed a bad asthma and Bobby loves it under the gazebo anyway.
We ARE building him an aviary to keep him even more comfortable.
HOWEVER, I took the decision to have him clipped because the aviary is not yet built and we do not want to lose him again until it is built.
Now, Bobby stays in his cage until I come home and sit outside with him, and open the top of it so he can spend 3-4 hours up on it - supervised.
When Bobby get's to be in the aviary, his clipped wings will grow back (within 14 months) as we've found out almost to our cost. 
Everyone must do what they feel is the best thing for them and their bird, in the same way we would any of our pets and I know I made the right one for Bobby.
He's back to saying the odd word (some new ones too actually!), and whistling away like always.
He's a happy boy and we love him.  :biggrin:
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2011, 06:01:31 PM »

So, do you mean you are still going to let him be free in the garden?  Supervised?

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2011, 08:38:58 PM »

I hope it works out for you. There is no way that I would risk it.
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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2011, 01:24:38 PM »

So, do you mean you are still going to let him be free in the garden?  Supervised?
No Pat, once the aviary is built, he will be in there permanently.  He is currently outside with me on the top of his cage, stretching his wings and about to have a hose-down.  I've learned my lesson the hard way and the gazebo which he is under is now netted in case he decides to go for a little fly!
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2011, 02:03:44 PM »

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:  Thank goodness for that!   :bighug:  I really thought you meant that he was still free in the garden. Phew, that's a relief.

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2011, 06:45:28 PM »

Pat, good post & so true. Wish I had read it before I lost Murphy. You do get complacent & believe that your bird loves you & would never fly off, I learnt this the hard way.

If I do get another grey I'll be super vigilant with doors & windows like I was at the beginning.
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2011, 06:51:46 PM »

 :bighug:  So sorry that you haven't found your little one yet x

It is so easy to get complacent with them, now I have Penny as well, Penny can't fly so it's ok for me to have the back door open when she is out but I am absolutely petrified I'll get it wrong or forget to shut the door before Charlie comes out.  So before I open any cage, I do a ritual check of doors, windows etc.  I am totally paranoid about it because Charlie can actually get out of his cage, he just flips the little levers and pushes the food dish door out so he can get out of there.  My brother came yesterday and drilled holes in the food dish doors, so now I have to get padlocks. 

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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2011, 07:31:17 PM »

:bighug:  So sorry that you haven't found your little one yet x

It is so easy to get complacent with them, now I have Penny as well, Penny can't fly so it's ok for me to have the back door open when she is out but I am absolutely petrified I'll get it wrong or forget to shut the door before Charlie comes out.  So before I open any cage, I do a ritual check of doors, windows etc.  I am totally paranoid about it because Charlie can actually get out of his cage, he just flips the little levers and pushes the food dish door out so he can get out of there.  My brother came yesterday and drilled holes in the food dish doors, so now I have to get padlocks. 



That's exactly what Murphy used to do with his food dish doors. The little monkey figured it out & one day Kate walked in the back door & he was hanging off the side of his cage looking very pleased with himself. I also had to padlock the door as he unscrewed the nut & bolt & opened the door, once he knew how he was constantly at it trying to open it. He even used to sit trying to pick at the padlock but no chance as it was a combination lock, I used to hope the clever little sod didn't see what the combination was when I locked it......lol
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2011, 07:37:05 PM »

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  Yeah, that's the locks that I am getting as well.  Knowing me I'd lose the key it I got a normal padlock.

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2011, 02:13:43 PM »

Our family are keen sailors and luckily I have a few Bow shackles laying around. They are made of galvanised stainless steel with a screw in bolt.

Bailey has already escaped by sliding the latch to the main door and I do not want to risk her climbing out of the food hatches. She gave me a fright the other day when I turned to fill her water bowl and she was sitting quite happily on the outside of her cage so I already know that she fits through there quite nicely.

These shackles are available on e-bay or from boat chandlers at around 35pence each.

Hope this helps someone.

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2011, 01:28:05 PM »

Better safe than sorry  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Ive got 4 double padlocks on each of my cages... keys everywhere lol... im a little too cautious someimes i think  :rofl:
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2011, 02:10:11 PM »

Yep, I agree. My two are padlocked and griptied in. No escaping for my two  :nono: :nono:
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« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2011, 08:19:21 PM »

While I agree with most of what you wrote Pat..  about not taking your pet out without some sort of safty (harness/cage) I think you are wrong about the loyalty part.

I took Yoshi out a few times without anything.. just me and her.  It was fine.. she never left my side.


Me & Yoshi outdoors :) by usuqa, on Flickr

I later moved home and after being there for a while with my partner we both took her out and she was fine... till she decided to try fly from me to her.    Now indoors she's an amazing flyer.. you wouldn't believe the moves she pulls...  but she had never flown outside before and its a whole new ball game.

As soon as she opened her wing's the wind grabbed her (it wasn't that windy) and up she went.. I called on her and she tried to circle back but she couldn't fly down... she tried again.. and again till she vanished behind the tenement building.

I ran.. but I couldn't see her.. I called.. but I couldn't hear her (to much ambient noise).  I spent hours trying to find her.. had family come over to help but nothing.  The world in my eyes had just expanded about 1000x and I was losing hope.

I eventually got some sleep and got up at 5am and went out looking again, I figured at night they calm down and there's to much noise so in the morning when its quite I might have a chance at hearing her.
I was out the door for five minutes and I heard her call back to me..  I ran.. called again and she replied.
Again I ran.. found the noise but still no Yoshi.. I climbed peoples fences.. looking up, down..  then Finally I spotted her on someone's roof.

She was ever so happy I found her.. and she seemed ok, she had a stretch and tried to fly down (still couldn't) and got took away onto some tree's.


(this was taken at around 400-500mm equivalent.. really high tree)

She stayed up there for about 1 hour.. then tried to fly back to me.. again she went strait to me but couldn't fly down.  She tried this 3-4x (taking long brakes in between). Each time without success..  at one point she was sitting on the teniment roof.. another point she flew away for ages.. till she was mealy a speck but again turned around and took a very long approach to me but still failed.

She eventually landed on a smaller roof bossing some pigeons about.. (had went out of sight but I found her fast) and she tried from there a few times..   all in it took her 6-7 hours from the morning I found her to figure out how to fly down while outside..

I know how lucky I was to get her back.. and for no harm to come to her but the one thing I learned from that apart from how much I love her is that her bond and loyalty to me is very strong,  would she go with someone else eventually If I didn't find her.. sure  (we as humans do the same thing) but her determination to keep trying to get back to me shows that there loyalty and bond isn't a fickle thing and she wanted me back as much as I wanted her.
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2011, 08:33:01 PM »

You are so lucky to have got her back.  Yes a lot of people that lose Greys get them back but there are so many more that never see their birds again, so what I was trying to point out was..........why risk it?  Why take your bird out without a harness in the first place? 

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« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2011, 08:53:09 PM »

You are so lucky to have got her back.  Yes a lot of people that lose Greys get them back but there are so many more that never see their birds again, so what I was trying to point out was..........why risk it?  Why take your bird out without a harness in the first place? 

And that's the part I agree on :)

For me its because my grey is scared of her harness (bad experience when she was younger) and I was being silly thinking.. she loves  me.. she wont fly away,  I didn't think of the wind outside and other things.

I was stupid.. and lucky to get her back :)  but I thought I would share my story and just say that I feel there bond/loyalty to there pet person is more than just a food thing..  its a pretty strong thing that me/you or the birds wouldn't want to be broken. :)
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2011, 08:57:47 PM »

Absolutely and that is a great read for other people to learn from.  Thanks for posting that, our latest member to lose and then get her little one back is Jennifer Steadman, as you can imagine she was frantic. 

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2011, 10:59:01 AM »

Hi everyone
 I would just like to say that I can understand why people don't like the idea of clipping a birds flight feathers but it really has a lot more going for it than against it. It must be done correctly so as to allow some limited flight to the bird and constantly monitored whilst playing with your little friend (can't call them pets ). It allows more freedom in other ways to the bird as he is not locked away in his cage, can have doors and windows open in the summer,can go outside (although depending on the stage of feather regrowth ) with a harness. It provides added security from loss and makes the little fellow more confident and manageable.
DONT LET PEOPLE PUT YOU OFF you don't want the upset of losing your bird by some ones mistake with a door. Oh well I do go on don,t I.....Time to go and play with worzel.....he,s just told me :biggrin: :bye:
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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2011, 11:18:00 AM »

Hi everyone
 I would just like to say that I can understand why people don't like the idea of clipping a birds flight feathers but it really has a lot more going for it than against it. It must be done correctly so as to allow some limited flight to the bird and constantly monitored whilst playing with your little friend (can't call them pets ). It allows more freedom in other ways to the bird as he is not locked away in his cage, can have doors and windows open in the summer,can go outside (although depending on the stage of feather regrowth ) with a harness. It provides added security from loss and makes the little fellow more confident and manageable.
DONT LET PEOPLE PUT YOU OFF you don't want the upset of losing your bird by some ones mistake with a door. Oh well I do go on don,t I.....Time to go and play with worzel.....he,s just told me :biggrin: :bye:

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you on that! You can uses a harness without your birdies being clipped AND even a clipped bird can still be taken away with the wind, this happened to a friend of mine.
And how could taking away a birds ability to fly make it more confident and manageable??
A good home and training will make it confident and manageable.
I think having a bird clipped for those reasons is just an excuse for a lazy owner who can't be bothered to work with their birdie and make sure it's in a safe environment by closing windows, doors etc.
Lets NOT get complacent and think well it's only a bird and I'll have it clipped then I can take it out, have window and doors open etc.
Lets try and not be ignorant owners, lets do the best for our feathered friends and that is to NOT clip them, after all you would not take away a child's legs because it always ran off from you at bedtime etc Or cut off his hands because it was always touching things that were dangerous.
The principle is the same, you make sure your child is safe, so do the same for these very intelligent animals!!

I know this topic is controversial and these are my thoughts on this matter and NOT everyone will agree, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, but lets not be ignorant to the fact that clipping is wrong and they can still fly away, they can also suffer bad effects from clipping.
Being ignorant to the damage you could be doing to your birdie is wrong, and who gave us the right to say that it's OK to abuse animals, this is a form of animal cruelty and these barbaric acts should be stopped!!

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Re: It Won't Happen To Me
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2011, 11:48:47 AM »

i cannot think of one good reason to clip a bird and the argument about stopping them flying away sorry this doesn't stand with me.
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