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Still a Plucker
« on: March 16, 2016, 11:39:54 AM »

Hi all
I am back again,
Peaches is still a plucker and her chest right up to her neck and her back is all bare (really breaks my heart  :cry2: ) I have tried R-Leaves in the past and the Vet had prescribed her with some capsules called 'Calm' which seemed to work at first so i had asked him to prescribe it once more but now nothing at all. We have had a lil baby girl last Oct so i guess that might be contributing to her stress. Spray Peaches with aloe/water every other day and have her walking around the house too but nothing helps. Really need some help  :cry2: If all else fails the only option i have left is to find someone who might be willing to adopt her and give her the attention she needs  :cry2:
Any advice please
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2016, 11:55:46 AM »

bless her heart, she's so sweet. You have to remember though that the plucking may be habit now and she may not be unhappy.

Your new baby will undoubtedly have contributed. Is Peaches disturbed during the night for feeds/crying etc? That will also be unsettling for her at the minute but something she will get used to.

Watch the aloe though, don't use that every time you spray her incase its building up and causing further irritation.

How long did you use the R.Leaves for? I used it and it was superb for my chronic laying cockatiel.
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2016, 12:03:43 PM »

bless her heart, she's so sweet. You have to remember though that the plucking may be habit now and she may not be unhappy.

Your new baby will undoubtedly have contributed. Is Peaches disturbed during the night for feeds/crying etc? That will also be unsettling for her at the minute but something she will get used to.

Watch the aloe though, don't use that every time you spray her incase its building up and causing further irritation.

How long did you use the R.Leaves for? I used it and it was superb for my chronic laying cockatiel.

Hi Kazky
Thanks for the quick reply, Peaches is in a different room so hardly hears the LO crying as our bedroom door is shut at night. I switch her lights off by 9 pm and she says 'Good Night , see you in the morning' after that she is well settled in. At first when i introduced Peaches to our LO Peaches was a bit scared and confused as she had never seen a baby before but now she seems fine with her as whenever she sees LO she will say 'Peek a Boo' but i know that it has affected her as my attention is now divided.
I had used the R-Leaves for a couple of months, but when i spoke to John Chitty (Vet) he just nodded his head in disapproval when i told him i was using it saying that it is difficult to pin point the cause of plucking.
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2016, 12:21:45 PM »

He is right, it is difficult, Mandi has a plucker who is a lovely girl, but any sort of thing can set her off, it seems a learned behaviour repsonse to something. But your situation is pretty simple to diagnose at the minute i guess.

I really wouldn't dismiss using the R.Leaves, just because he's said that, regardless of what is causing it, if it helps in anyway its worth it as it won't harm her.

Hormones are raging at the minute which could certainly be contributing and R.Leaves are really good helping with hormones.

As i said in my earlier post though, it doesn't mean she's unhappy, think of it as us biting our nails or pulling hair as a habit. I know it must be hard to see her like that, but if she's otherwise healthy, it might just be 'her thing'.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 12:32:11 PM »

He is right, it is difficult, Mandi has a plucker who is a lovely girl, but any sort of thing can set her off, it seems a learned behaviour repsonse to something. But your situation is pretty simple to diagnose at the minute i guess.

I really wouldn't dismiss using the R.Leaves, just because he's said that, regardless of what is causing it, if it helps in anyway its worth it as it won't harm her.

Hormones are raging at the minute which could certainly be contributing and R.Leaves are really good helping with hormones.

As i said in my earlier post though, it doesn't mean she's unhappy, think of it as us biting our nails or pulling hair as a habit. I know it must be hard to see her like that, but if she's otherwise healthy, it might just be 'her thing'.
Thanks again Kazky, I try the R-Leaves again I still have half a bottle left at home but Will have to check the best before date.
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 12:33:28 PM »

anything is worth trying sean i guess, does she chatter etc? She's so gorgeous, melts my heart
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2016, 12:54:39 PM »

anything is worth trying sean i guess, does she chatter etc? She's so gorgeous, melts my heart
Yeah she is a chatterbox and nosey whats to know what everyone is doing lol.
At first when she would come out of her cage she would perch up high and then pluck those small white fluff, so i kept her in her cage for a couple of days but then she started going to the back of her cage and plucking there, so there was no point of keeping her in. Seeing her this way breaks my heart  :cry2:
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2016, 01:16:50 PM »

it must be very difficult, mandi will be along later and i'm sure she can offer you some proper experienced help. They are so complex, it's hard to know what may upset them.
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2016, 01:25:42 PM »

it must be very difficult, mandi will be along later and i'm sure she can offer you some proper experienced help. They are so complex, it's hard to know what may upset them.
Thanks for your advice Kazky, As mentioned in my previous posts alot has changed, been separated, changed houses, have a new partner a baby so i think its a mixture of all of this that has stressed her out.
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Re: Still a Plucker
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2016, 01:55:47 PM »

Think you've got an uphill struggle just reading some of your earlier posts. You suspect bonding problems to that I'll add habit.

I've got a very mild theory, for me normal preening must be subconscious they go through 3000-4000 feathers. So if this behaviour is inadvertently modified it now becomes the norm.

Now after I'd tried everything from sleeping arrangements, diet changes, stopped spraying (this was a big stress factor for Willow, full on puff attack), etc.. Even making my brother take him off me when he got frisky also made him work him more.

I'd try to set up some training time with her. This will help establish a line of communication she'll learn what you expect of her. It'll also give her dedicated you time. I'd also try to get someone else in on the training, try to replace your attention with someone else's. This will make her less needy with you.

So training to be less needy also in gaining attention. You'll find she might decide she wants to play that game. My 2 clear off into the hall then shout the recall command.

The real reason for the training is the next bit. If as I surmise and it's habit. We break the habit I actually did this with Will. With Willow not all preening was plucking so he was rewarded for preening correctly.

Personally I always thought of the mild sedative as a quick fix. It works by lessening the stress chemically rather than physically.

For Willow the big factors was empowering him I'd ask if he wanted to step up, a shower etc. I accepted he didn't want to step up, tickle etc. Then I replaced myself with my brother when he got to frisky. Then we tackled the habit.

As has been said don't beat yourself up I actually felt this was also a contributing factor. It's to easy to focus on the unwanted behaviour and forget, ignore the bad reward the good.

Think you've generally been given some good advice. Just trying to solve it shows she's loved and hell loved parrots come in all manner of dress. We love them feathered or not that's all that matters.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2016, 03:12:21 PM »

Think you've got an uphill struggle just reading some of your earlier posts. You suspect bonding problems to that I'll add habit.

I've got a very mild theory, for me normal preening must be subconscious they go through 3000-4000 feathers. So if this behaviour is inadvertently modified it now becomes the norm.

Now after I'd tried everything from sleeping arrangements, diet changes, stopped spraying (this was a big stress factor for Willow, full on puff attack), etc.. Even making my brother take him off me when he got frisky also made him work him more.

I'd try to set up some training time with her. This will help establish a line of communication she'll learn what you expect of her. It'll also give her dedicated you time. I'd also try to get someone else in on the training, try to replace your attention with someone else's. This will make her less needy with you.

So training to be less needy also in gaining attention. You'll find she might decide she wants to play that game. My 2 clear off into the hall then shout the recall command.

The real reason for the training is the next bit. If as I surmise and it's habit. We break the habit I actually did this with Will. With Willow not all preening was plucking so he was rewarded for preening correctly.

Personally I always thought of the mild sedative as a quick fix. It works by lessening the stress chemically rather than physically.

For Willow the big factors was empowering him I'd ask if he wanted to step up, a shower etc. I accepted he didn't want to step up, tickle etc. Then I replaced myself with my brother when he got to frisky. Then we tackled the habit.

As has been said don't beat yourself up I actually felt this was also a contributing factor. It's to easy to focus on the unwanted behaviour and forget, ignore the bad reward the good.

Think you've generally been given some good advice. Just trying to solve it shows she's loved and hell loved parrots come in all manner of dress. We love them feathered or not that's all that matters.

Thanks for the wonderful advice FeatherMonkey, i will try spending some more time training her along with the R-Leaves, having a little baby doesnt make it easy though, and Peaches being a Timneh AG doesnt really like being touched.

My wife is scared of animals and Peaches has bitten her a couple of times so she wouldn't be involved in training her will have to do it myself.

Thanks once again FeatheredMonkey
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