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Can I start training him
« on: May 20, 2015, 09:53:25 AM »

Hi guys,

I have a 10 months or so African Grey (wild-caught), I live in the middle east, and you can read my earlier topic:

http://www.africangreyparrotcentre.co.uk/african-grey-forum/behavioural-issues/screams-when-inside-cage-not-outside/

Currently, he steps on my hand (inside and outside the cage), stopped growling, eats from my hands, let me preen his head and cheeks.

However, I do still believe he is still wary from me, since if I put him in the ground beside me when I set, he quickly goes to his cage.

Am currently converting him from Seeds to Harrison's; (first week), and he eats from it, and doing well in the conversion process.

Do you advise me to start training him, such as target training, at this stage? or I should continue to gain his trust till he is so comfortable with me?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Can I start training him
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2015, 10:30:28 AM »

I'll be honest you're in quite a different place than most, wild caught are rarely encountered in Europe/America.

So having done that I'll try yes I would start, rewarding will gain trust but you have to work at their pace not yours. Baby steps first, you may even have to start rewarding for little more than him not feeling threatened by the stick. I also suspect you've got one other thing eroding trust. I suspect he's been clipped. Imagine having no legs and being in a strange environment where everything is a threat(parrots are prey animals).

I'd also use a primary enforcer for training I like clickers but anything that can be done instinctively and very quickly will work. They need to know 1 the primary enforcer is followed by the secondary very quickly to associate wanted behavior for reward.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 11:22:00 AM »

Thanks FeatherMonkey,

You are correct, he is clipped, and am really working on his pace, when first I got him, he was growling if I got close to his cage, after one week, I was able to make him stop growling, and stepped on my hand within the cage.

I am using a clicker, and give him flowersun seed as a treat.

I would consider him semi-tame or almost-tame, but what I don't know, would a wild caught CAG become fully tamed as hand-reared ones?

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Re: Can I start training him
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2015, 12:06:44 PM »

I'm only guessing really but I've always been interested in the raptor world. I think they can teach parrot owners more than the parrot community can. They never see them as fluffy toddlers but birds.

My honest opinion and based on little more than what I've read and light discussions with vet. Absolutely I really can't see why not. The intelligence of these buggers is astounding but you have to work with them.

Now what I base this on, firstly the raptor world use Harris hawks these are unusual in the fact you can imprint. In chatting to the vet he said these tend to be more aggressive they don't fear humans. I personally think it's similar for imprinted parrots to. So wild/non-imprint will be more fearful but you have less of the other problems it'll probably less likely to overbond(more problems come from this than anything else). Also less likely to resort to biting and generally more stable as they know they're still birds. Even with imprints and I have 2 the wild is still very much in them. I suspect it'll be 100's of generations before the wild is bred out of them.

Honestly going on a little comment 'on stepping up' I really can't see you not managing it. You seem very astute and aware just noticing they're testing was spot on. I socialize mine a lot and put them on anyone and they won't step onto a weak wrist. I also tend to find them empathic they read cues from the flock, if someone is nervous/fearful so are they.

So honestly carry on thinking like a bird and gaining trust and I suspect you'll be dismissing all the wild/parent reared claims that they can't be as tame. I suspect you'll learn far faster than the hand reared owners(you won't forget they're wild birds).

I constantly dismiss 'own a parrot and you will get bit', it's simply not true neither is skittish. It's not that they're skittish but fearful of something we missed the cue on. Just like the terrible 2's doesn't exist they are just determining their place in the flock which is very much dynamic and not predictable. Just as human social/work dynamics are, it's not as straightforward as packs where there is a leader.

I'll try and find some papers on training and the trust account, it's enlightening. Soz got to go through my old posts forgotten the site.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2015, 12:24:18 PM »

Thanks alot for the detailed feedback

Actually I started the target training, and to my surprise, he learned it quickly, amazed me :)

Here is a picture of him,,,i believe the way he looks shows he is not scared


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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2015, 12:27:00 PM »

http://www.naturalencounters.com/pressRoom.html you want the one about power of trust. Plenty other good ones there ti.

As to looking very happy I concur and agree a very happy bird.
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Re: Can I start training him
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2015, 12:44:09 PM »

I can't see the piccie unfortunately, maybe it's my work computer, i'll look when i get home.

I like the link Stefan, i'll also have a read when i get home. Looks interesting
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2015, 01:45:06 PM »

This is a direct link for the image Kazky
http://i59.tinypic.com/rtq8er.jpg
Regarding the link from FeatherMonkey, I read it, and it is an interesting read, mainly the Trust Account idea

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Re: Can I start training him
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2015, 01:56:04 PM »

That looks an interesting site stefan. I'll take a look on there later.

Love the pic of your birdie. He looks really cheeky :)
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