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« on: November 30, 2015, 02:47:13 PM »

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A couple of weak bits thought I'd highlight.

1)I command repeat too much. I try to stick to twice.
2)Should of listened to myself tell Willow that's it. Ask for more and finish less than favourably.
3)This isn't done as trick/training is normally randomly rewarded. Why a little refusal.
4)I lead Willow onto the cage once. Can see he's going to get it wrong. Better to get a poor correct one than a wrong one.
5)I also pause midway, no point asking if you've not got their attention. Aim is plenty of quick correct.
6)The commands are visual as well as vocal. You see me get it wrong and Willow pause.
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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 06:53:51 PM »

great vid Stef, well trained those two
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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 07:30:06 PM »

Thanks Jon
I'd argue they've got us well trained.

Certainly does help, though they're still a pair of mischiefs. Just means I can have a go at sending them back.

Find more importantly I learn to read them better. So whilst well trained, don't want, won't go, their bloody intelligence is there undoing. Also builds trust I ask and reward so I'm good bet.

I could quite easily make one showing fail after fail. Is about working with them when they have a drive. Also find you can turn a lot of things to training. Presently on phone, for me even though preening, it's good Girl/Boy not for the preening but for not being interested in the phone. I'm training the behaviour I want around the phone.

Never really stops still even reward the occasional step up. Should do that one might be quite handy asking vs forcing step up.
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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 04:50:33 PM »

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A couple of weak bits thought I'd highlight.

1)I command repeat too much. I try to stick to twice.
2)Should of listened to myself tell Willow that's it. Ask for more and finish less than favourably.
3)This isn't done as trick/training is normally randomly rewarded. Why a little refusal.
4)I lead Willow onto the cage once. Can see he's going to get it wrong. Better to get a poor correct one than a wrong one.
5)I also pause midway, no point asking if you've not got their attention. Aim is plenty of quick correct.
6)The commands are visual as well as vocal. You see me get it wrong and Willow pause.

A bit off topic... we've brought exactly the same cage... is off E-bay, but good as new... 1) Can we attach a little hinge to the dome to get that to open, is it necessary or the way you have it (and we have it too) is fine? Would the hinge thing be a good idea? 2) Ours has no perches... thinking of making a few or getting them from the garden centre... any ideas? 3) We were looking at parrot stands etc for our girl, but after looking at your video... can we just install one or two of these hanging rope perches, like you have, would that be a good substitute to a parrot stand?

Btw, our girl comes home on the 11th or 12th... just getting everything ready for her... so she can settle from day one and feel easy :)

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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2015, 05:07:28 PM »

Are you sure that's the same cage might be out of perspective I can sit in that and have a party. That cage would happily take 2 macaws. Being stainless steel that top weighs a ton easier with 2 whilst you can just about do it on your own. The dome locks the structure together. Perch is original I've got high perchers occasionally find them on the main one, just pellets and water use really. That's a 4ft tube up top.

As for stands done everything over the years. Made from safe branches in pots etc. Rope works for me, like all things has risks. Find with lino underneath easier to clean. Will say since not having a wooden perch/stand my 2's nails do seem to take a little more maintenance. Could be coincidence though.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 05:11:04 PM »

Are you sure that's the same cage might be out of perspective I can sit in that and have a party. That cage would happily take 2 macaws. Being stainless steel that top weighs a ton easier with 2 whilst you can just about do it on your own. The dome locks the structure together. Perch is original I've got high perchers occasionally find them on the main one, just pellets and water use really. That's a 4ft tube up top.

As for stands done everything over the years. Made from safe branches in pots etc. Rope works for me, like all things has risks. Find with lino underneath easier to clean. Will say since not having a wooden perch/stand my 2's nails do seem to take a little more maintenance. Could be coincidence though.

Oh yes! Exactttttly the same... I dismantled this cage to get it upstairs... the dome does weigh a lot, but afaik it does not interlock or hold the structure in place, as when putting the cage back together again put the two dome bits in place right at the end....

Ahaan... I think your setup is the best... will probably get a rope perch for her... with lino or something else underneath for the droppings, like you suggested...
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 05:27:44 PM »


And your light must be a UV light? I was thinking of using a UV bulb instead.... if they come in bulbs... as there is already a bulb fitting not too far from the cage.... or maybe I can make the ropey perch very close to the bulb fitment and then install a UV bulb there?
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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2015, 05:28:06 PM »

My dome is one whole piece so not comparable in regards to a hinge.

Mine definitely locks it together. Once you take the dome off all 4 sides head towards the floor, just 4 guide slots, the domes 8 pegs lock all 4 sides. Pretty hard to put up take down on your own.

Mandi has a jungle gym going using all sorts. Keep meaning to get a length of rope to link cage to the perch. The bit at bottom is mainly as weight to stretch the boings they naturally are a lot tighter.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 05:30:49 PM »

My dome is one whole piece so not comparable in regards to a hinge.

Mine definitely locks it together. Once you take the dome off all 4 sides head towards the floor, just 4 guide slots, the domes 8 pegs lock all 4 sides. Pretty hard to put up take down on your own.

Mandi has a jungle gym going using all sorts. Keep meaning to get a length of rope to link cage to the perch. The bit at bottom is mainly as weight to stretch the boings they naturally are a lot tighter.

Oh I see... our dome breaks into two pieces... with two screws holding the two pieces together...

Great idea about stretching the ropey perch with weight or linking it to the main cage... thanks... I think I will do just that! :) Will post some pics when everything is ready... Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 05:42:34 PM »

In regards to light yes to uv also needs something with the ballast. As for regular I have done(I have old ones in a few places) but it is a lot lot better closer. The bulbs recommendation is close. My tube is probably just touching not quite ideal in regards to distance.

 My 2 are always on top Willow even perches under it, had to keep it just out of reach, also the clip on wouldn't of worked for us. Being nearly 6ft the lamp would of been at eye height which is bad. Think it's 3 years had the tube seems to be fine going of blood work.
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Re: Send to cage, perch and recall
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 06:30:17 PM »

Stefan I noticed (didnt see anyway) you dont seem to have alot of foraging toys going on in the cage itself, do you make your 2 forage much?

Now I probably go OTT on foraging, should one day post Georgie's cage, has about 12 toys for foraging,lots of duplicates, but has to work for all her Harrison's and Nutriberries. Her dishes only get used for water and fresh stuffs...
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2015, 07:58:26 PM »

What you missed is 3 pots lidded with other pots, keeps Hickory amused the longest and most challenging for her, also 2 coconuts. To be honest Hickory is too bloody clever and Willow to stubborn.

Give me 5 and I'll set up her tubes and video it. What is missing is shredders and bagels. My 2 will strip foragers empty in the time it gets me to the door. I also really heavily treat and have 4 days where they're out pretty much all day. My off day today, they've been in for 4 hrs today that's probably a long one.

Also seen a study iirc even with completely foraged still spent a very low time foraging. I'd have to completely hide all food even then I'd probably extend it to little over 2 hrs. Even on a long day I'm normally breaking the day after 6 hrs.

Don't get me wrong quite correct were I leaving them all day I'd plump it up more.

But as the video in next post shows, not for long.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2015, 08:15:52 PM »

Just over 4 mins 7 barrels of fun...
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2015, 09:34:16 PM »

Georgie has 3 barrels in her cage, 2 Foraging Hearts, 2 Circle Foragers, 2 Foraging Carousels, 1 zig zag foragewise, 1 snack rack, 1 treasure chest (just pins, holding shut, as she gets annoyed with keys it comes with) and 1x turn n learn log things :)

I fill all with Harrions, 1-2 bits in each possible compartment, along with 3 nutriberries along the line somewhere, and its takes her 7-10 mins to empty most of um, at least for a short term fill

tis knackering each night filling all these....do the same for the OWA, but he mostly only gets barrels, heart and circle forager and carousel.... he aint one for semi hard foraging....yet
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 01:30:38 AM »

Nearly used the chest as an example Hickory beats that in the same time, she knows to hold the 1st key to stop it going back. Willow annoys the hell out of her, he just pings everything till it opens. So he's pinging it whilst she's trying to do the keys. The turn log on perch is Willow's, only toy Hickory can't do. Willow just pings everything eventually they will rattle free, does it with the chest might take him +45mins but it works.

Got loads of others, box carousel, again Hickory just one lid defeats her. Willows ping(sort scrapes his beak or pinches links, randomly opening a lid, rattles etc) beats them all if he wants he'll ping till it gives or wait for Hickory to do it then push in. Hickory just gets them all pretty quickly, sometimes with him pinging, sometimes his pinging just works. Beats most drop through toys as they say give enough monkeys typewriters.... just seems to vibrate them through or around, with enough time it works.

Probably get best return from the coconuts. Stuffing with little bits and treats, the 3 holed husked one gave back for a while took a little time to strip. Always on the lookout for Hickory challenges just come up rarely. Pots work for her might even have to look might be too tight she's not beat them yet.

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM »

What coconut ones bud?

Seen on Scarletts...Coco Door Forager, Coconut Surprise, Coco Puzzle Toy, Coco Full Moon Small/Large

Any of those?

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2015, 11:09:08 PM »

Scarletts call it the full moon. Find they have to shred the outside before even trying to put there head in the holes think it tickles.

But yeah any coconut with husk, find the husk has to be pulled off. As for holes 1,2 or 3 doesn't really matter then stuffed tightly with paper, fabric, shredders, old toys and treats etc. Just writing that makes me realise more shreddable, chewable material keeps mine amused. Find it's all about having to remove it all, got 2 old ones stuffed in that pic.

I have to say whilst I could get them doing more on pellets. I work mine for treats loads. So would never go too heavy in cage. I'll call mine back or to me and reward still even do the odd step up, weighing. Doing the above video was 7 safflower seeds. I really do use seed and treats out of the cage a lot probably only time they really see them.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2015, 04:08:27 PM »

In regards to light yes to uv also needs something with the ballast. As for regular I have done(I have old ones in a few places) but it is a lot lot better closer. The bulbs recommendation is close. My tube is probably just touching not quite ideal in regards to distance.

 My 2 are always on top Willow even perches under it, had to keep it just out of reach, also the clip on wouldn't of worked for us. Being nearly 6ft the lamp would of been at eye height which is bad. Think it's 3 years had the tube seems to be fine going of blood work.

Thank you Stefan :) I think what will really suit us would be a B22 bayonet fitting UV bulb, that can go in the lamp shade right next to the cage and we can put the ropey perches under/close to it.... I think I will start a new topic on that... Thanks for all your advice & help!
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